Our First Meeting. Your Comments and Questions. The Imaginarium

Hello Troops,

The school district's Space Center Committee met for the first time last Wednesday.  I believe there were 12 of us present and several observers.  I was unaware observers could attend. A section of the room was reserved for them.

I disagreed with a couple things spoken at the beginning of the meeting.  After the first few minutes, things brighten and the committee proceeded to get on to business.  Differing opinions are in the DNA of any group dynamic.  You may not like everything said, but everyone's opinions are necessary and important.

I was pleased to see many friends and acquaintances serving on the committee. Their comments during the meeting indicated a desire to see the Center continue to be successful and follow its 22 year tradition of being the best field trip in the state.

The district's maintenance director was helpful in searching for ways to get three of our simulators open as quickly as possible.  He took a few minutes to explain the process which led to the closing of the Center.  His explanation helped me understand the maintenance issues that needed to be resolved - giving further testimony to the importance of good communication to avoid misinformation and misunderstandings. 

He explained why the fire marshal classified the Space Center as an amusement - something that upset all of us who worked at the Center.  The classification was based on the fact that we held overnight camps and operated outside of school hours.  It was not meant to imply the Center was not educational.

Subcommittees were formed to explore both short term and long term Space Center goals and objectives.  I'm hoping at least one member of each subcommittee is familiar with the Space Center's standard operating procedures and programs.  It is difficult to envision the path ahead if one doesn't understand the path's source.  
  
In September I met with the management of Thanksgiving Point and presented my vision of a new Space Center and Alpine District school at their location.  They were interested in the proposal.  This past week, representatives of Thanksgiving Point met with district administrators to see if there was mutual interest in exploring a partnership. The meeting yielded positive results.  The Space Center committee will be discussing this possible partnership in a future meeting.    

The Space Center committee is committed to explore all options and possibilities.  A great deal of money will be spent on a new Center.  It is important our deliberations be done correctly and transparently.

Thank you for your patience as we resolve these issues.  It may be some time before we start field trips; I know the wait will be worth it.  This committee is made up of outstanding volunteers who have our student's and teacher's interests at heart.

I'm grateful they are willing to share their valuable time in this reconstruction endeavor.

Mr. W.

       
Your Comments and Questions


Shawn Wrote:

Alright let me just say for the record that I am so relived that we are opening a new space center!!!! I was kind of freaking out.

First off I think it would put a  sound resistant barriers in between the small ships. It doesn't have to be sound proof because the music in each ship will make it so you cant hear the others.And also

I think it would be a really good thing to have like little ipads or tvs in in the parent waiting room. Because I don't know about you guys but my mom really wants to see a little of what we do at the space center.And pleas don't get rid of overnighters. That and the 5 hr missions are all I have to look forward to in the summer. And those generate alot more income. You could use the flexible space and use cots. And you mite want to get started rite away. Because I'm not the only one that is having space center withdrawals. And If you could some how find a way to get the school board people to

let you run the Galileo you could generate some income. And are we going to use the same rank papers? And about the laser tag,I would not try it until the rest of the new center is complete. Because

it's really expensive. And if it ever happens then you mite want to find a way to reinforce them,and instead of wearing it the intire mission you could just have them be battle suits. Then the us kids would be less tempted to play with them. 

Well those are the suggestions I have, and thank you for not shutting down forever...

Thank you for your comments.  The Ranking System will continue into the new Center.  I reserved the right to tweak it a bit though.   

 Brandon E. wrote

I love the new design. I agree that we most likely need 2 floors but of course looking at the design. I love the way it is. All ages 1-12 should be able to participate. We staff need to keep the C lowest grade and a B average. I definitely agree with that. Lets keep everything the same on that plan in my opinion. BTW. Miss all of you staff members.

Thank you for your comments Brandon. I miss working with the Space Center's awesome staff and volunteers.  Hopefully we will be back to work soon.

Anonymous wrote

I just want to say that I really really dislike the idea of a magnet school. I just think it detracts from the actual space center. It would take funds, and to me it makes it seem like it would make the space center exclusively for the students at that school, or at least they would get priority. That doesn't work for me, because although I love the space center, I love my school. I say no to that idea. 

Thank you for your comments.  It wouldn't be much different than the way the Center is run now.  Remember, we are located at Central Elementary.  Central Elementary students have one advantage over other students - they are allowed to work in the Space Center during the day.  Magnet School students wouldn't get  extra Space Center opportunities outside of school time.  
 
J.M.  wrote

1. I like that this building isn't exactly square. I also like the idea posted on yesterday's post for each flight director to have some input on the design of their ship so each ship is different.
2. As for the field trip requirements, couldn't you accommodate ~37-48 students using all 7 simulators while a second class of ~37-40 is in the science class and Starlab? Could you make your Starlab presentation 15 minutes longer so both parts of the field trip take 1hr45min? What about setting up the Starlab in the assembly area- or did you want a separate place to set it up?
3. What are the pros to discontinuing overnight camps? Why would you discontinue them, especially if they're good moneymakers? A lot of kids would miss them.
4. Although I love the idea of having 7 total simulators (including USS Galileo), if you need more space for other things, you ought to be able to forgo one small simulator in favor of something else- like the Starlab.
5. Also, in light of some other comments from yesterday's post, shouldn't you/are you able to spread the ships out more, so you don't have to worry about different ships being able to hear one other? 

Thank you for your comments.  Several things to think about in this post.


Dallin wrote

I have four suggestion for this plan.
1. I think ideally it would be nice to have some more "flexible space" for away missions.
2. It would also be nice to add a 2nd story (or basement).
3. The idea of Matt L.'s on the joined engineer bay in GREAT.
4. One concern about the plan is the fact there are only two control rooms. This would be very crowded and loud.

Thanks for the suggestions.  You are right about the control rooms.  We are working to modify the plan. 
 
Scavola wrote

What would be in the portholes into space?
If it is completely unchangeable and would be left alone than an image of space could be put into the porthole instead (similar to the Space Mountain images of space in black plastic). That would remove the need to have the extra room, but the porthole could still look into space.

 Thank you for your comments. 

Anonymous wrote

As was mentioned before, many of the senior staff members will be gone when (if) the 3 still-safe simulators reopen. In that case, how will you fill the staff positions? Will you simply take the more experienced volunteers, or have a traditional "application and interview" system?

Thank you for your comments. Hopefully there will be enough staff and volunteers left to reopen. New volunteers will be brought on board.  Great volunteers will be trained to fill the places left by departed staff.  Others may need to be hired 'off the street'.  It will take some time to train them.

Anonymous wrote

How much more income do you think will be earned by the ships we will have up and running in central soon? Or will that not have a large enough impact to affect the design? And also we could have smaller boxes outside the porthole instead of one giant one. That would save space and still have the same effect. Other than that, I love the design! Not nearly a Dream Center, but it will still work and should still be pretty cool! 

Thank you for your comments. We won't be making a lot of money.  Most of the Space Center's income came from the camps.  We can't run Overnight Camps.  I'm not sure if the new Center will have them either.  It is something the committee must debate and the school board to decide. 
 
Miranda wrote

It looks to me like this design is short 4 control room. one for each of the smaller ships. And I also feel like we're back in with very similar ships again. The bigger ships could be flipped around to look different, but with the smaller ships it might be a bit more difficult. Though I much prefer this design.

How much would it cost to create an add on to house the planetarium?
Also, how will the smaller ships load?

This seems to be designed a bit more to what the space center would need in the sense of space between the ships, except for the larger ships, that could be problematic. However, it does seem to grant more space to us, which is good.

Thank you for your comments.  

 
John wrote

First off I would like to say that I have really liked the past two plans, and that Alex's hard work on this is really great. Also I understand that these are extremely prelimanary designs; but I figured I'd give my thoughts anway. My first thought on this one is where would away missions be taken to? At Central we had the stage, the Kiva, and the cafeteria where many away missions were held. In this design I'm not really noticing a place, other than the assembly area where an away mission could really be held. I guess that the classrooms could easily be converted into away mission areas for overnighter, so that is a possibility. My second thought would be on the larger simulators, for away missions taking the bridge, you may want to have some sort of hidden entrance. The place that seemed logical to me was behind the dorm rooms on each simulator.

Anyway, this is probably a little too much for such a preliminary design, but those are my thoughts.

Thank you for your ideas and suggestions.
 
Black Shirt wrote

1. Can we still run some of the simulators until we rebuild?

2. If not, can we still have the good bye party?

3. Can the staff help move the computers and props to the new space center, or mabey even help build some of the new simulators?

Thank you for your comments.  Yes, we will reopen three of our simulators (Magellan, Galileo, Phoenix).  
There won't be a 'goodbye' party.  I'm planning on a 'reopening' party!  
I have people who will help move things in and out.  Thank you. 

Anonymous wrote

does the intire school need to be re-wierd? Or just the center? Becuase 700,000 seems a bit much for just 5 simulators.... The old galileo sold for only 2,000...

Thank you for your questions. You can't believe how expensive it is to remodel or construct.  I know it seems like a lot, but that figure is an estimate to rebuild the Center. 

Keaton wrote

In my opinion, closing the camps would be a tragic mistake. They are what makes the space center truly open to the public, and an accessible activity. They also, as you said, provide most of the center's income, and I'm pretty sure everything would run smoothly if the center continued to be self-sufficient, not needing a budget from the district. As you said every single over night camp, you promised the district you wouldn't ask them for money, and I personally think it's better for everyone if that promise is kept in place.

Thank you for your comments.  I continue to believe the Center should be self sustaining, if at all possible.   

Anonymous wrote

Well, the planetarium could potentially be in assembly room. I'm not sure that would work, with the table and Galileo being in there, but there's just an idea. I'm not quite sure what is keeping the number at 33, but if it's the simulators, then it would completely depend on how many stations we wanted in there. If the large ships are like the voyager, and the small ships are like the odyssey and pheonix, then even without the galileo you could take over 37. Maybe my thought patterns messed up, but those are just some ideas. 

Thank you for your ideas and thoughts.

Patrick wrote

In details, both of the larger simulators look similar. Would any changes be made to create a variety between the two so that campers would have a different experience visually between them? What I found great about the simulators at central is that they were built and squeezed into the available space in the school so that each one offered something new and amazing. I know the outline for the center is still somewhat preliminary and might be changed. The plans do look amazing and I am excited for the new center. 

Thank you for your comments.  We hope to make the simulators look different.

Anonymous wrote

So for the new design, were would briefing happen? There didn't look like there was enough space for many briefings if they were all at once. 

Thank you for your comments.  Again, this is just a preliminary design.  

A Very Worried Teenager wrote

So, is some of the simulators open yet? If so, which? If not, when do you think they might? Frankly, I am very confused with all this commotion going on. 

Thank you for your comments.  I think your answers can be found in my comments to the questions above. 
 
Connor wrote

Mr. Williamson,

I hope you will be okay hearing from me a bit over the next few days or weeks. I have many ideas for the new space center to add to those already discussed, and I will try to present them in as clear a way as possible. I have limited time right now, so I will just give a simple idea first.

A few of the comments you have received have talked about the possibility of making the hallways fit in with the look and feel of the simulators, rather than just looking like a regular school. They have said that going from a futuristic simulator to a regular brick hallway creates problems for the suspension of disbelief. A simple way to do this is to incorporate mood lighting that is similar to that found in the Phoenix currently. Blue and red rope lights could be strung along a slit in the walls of the hallways, with a plastic panel to cover them (such as the one covering the Galileo nacelle lights). In some schools they have light switches that require keys to turn lights on and off or to switch lights, and a similar system could be used here. Flight directors could use a key to switch between blue and red lights depending on the purpose of an away mission. Hopefully the pictures I attached will help you know what I mean.

Also, from the experience of being a volunteer, I know that often times it was desired to have a hallway completely black with the exception of the prop rotating red lights. Emergency lights that stayed on even when the lights were turned off prevented this for the most part. This is a good thing, because safety really is essential. If the lights I have spoken about are set up the correct way, however, they may be able to be passed off as the "emergency lights" that are needed in the new building. This way the hallways could be kept relatively dark, and the futuristic experience would not be interrupted. I don't know what the likelihood of this is, but it is just an idea.

Good luck with all of your efforts!

Thank you for your comments, suggestions and the time and effort you took to make the pictures.  All excellent ideas!  thanks for sharing. 

Dallin wrote

I think there four problems with the realistic budget plan.

1. In the plan there are only 2 control rooms for the 6 simulators.

2. I think there should be more flexible space or thematic space for away missions.

3. I think a second story or basement would be a very wise investment for future space or flexible space.

4. This is not a problem but I like the idea of having a a joined engineering room. As well as some of the other ideas of Matt L.

"I'm going to go back to our original design for a new building that we drew up a year or two back. I really like the idea of having a central medical center that is shared by all the simulators that also coordinates all of the away missions. It would have TV's showing cameras of the away mission areas and have communication with all the control rooms. 

As for the simulators needing to be different, we discussed giving each a square room and then each Set Director is given freedom to customize the ship as they see fit, keeping in mind that the simulators have to have X number of stations in them.

One of the things I would also love to see would be a shared engineering room. This room would contain all of the activity panels that would be used in 'manually' fixing the ship. If we did it right, we could make the panels nearly maintenance free, and any required maintenance would be very easy. Since the medical center would be shared, the engineering room would probably have to be on a separate floor, accessible from the bridge of each ship.

Away from the simulators, I also really liked the idea of having a waiting room/lounge near the entrance that parents could wait and watch/listen to the crews on the simulators.

And don't forgot, we want spots to put iPads/iPods, as it will be very easy to link those up to the rest of the ship controls."

I know that we are on a tight budget and not everything is possible, but we need to keep expansion in mind.

Thank you for your comments and suggestions Dallin.  

The Imaginarium, because we need a laugh or two.

One day, this will be real.

Well maybe not the ship.  I've never liked the original design 

of the starship.

I'd prefer something more like

Battlestar Galactica :)

 

The Champions of the Systems Medals.

 

We shall, it is only a matter of time.

 

A must for all of us who like to lean back in our chairs

(and fallen a few times in the process).

 

Imagination: A

 

So much better than writing

"Do not Disturb".

Creativity: A.

 

Elected representative are there to represent.

We are all in danger when power has puffed their chests 

and swollen their heads. 

 

Imagination: A

 

You don't get it do you?

 

We punish ourselves too much.

Be forgiving by forgiving yourself first

and acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes,

others may just be better at hiding them.

 

 The things you see when walking the streets outside the Imaginarium

A throw back to the old Soviet Union.

 

  

 Most of my last paycheck is inside this machine!

 

Now, the Realistic (within budget) Plan

Hello Troops,
We had a chance to see and comment on Alex DeBirk's $5,000,000 Dream Center in an earlier post.   This morning, Alex Debirk sent a realistic trimmed down design for a center that might be built within the expected budget of around $2.5 million. 

Alex's notes on the design

I have come up with a basic design that is almost within budget, but it requires the following caveats:

Required budget: $2.6 million

Simulator space is priced at $175/sq ft.

Non-simulator space is priced at $125/sq ft.

The total square footage of the building is 18,155, with 5,930 sq. ft of simulator space, and 12225 sq ft of non-simulator space.

It should allow four classes to attend field trips per day, and provide enough room for overnight camps. I'm not sure the Assembly area would be large enough to house a cafeteria and allow for extended summer camps, but I was stretched to the max as it was.

Note that the outer walls of the curved hallways have portholes that look into a starry background. This is optional. If it is removed, the square footage of the building falls to the around point where it can be built for $2.5 million based on price per square foot. Also note that the circles inside the large simulators denote turntable doors. Also note that this design is ADA compliant as far as I know, and requires no elevators or anything like that.

Let me know what you think.

An area for our Starlab Planetarium is one problem I see with this proposal.  Remember, a field trip encompasses one one hour in a space science class, 30 minutes in our Starlab Planetarium and 1hr 45 min in a simulation. 

This design allows up to 33 students in a class and four classes per day.  We need to find a way to boost that to 37 in a class to meet the needs of some of the school district's larger classes.

Your comments are welcome.  You may comment at the bottom of this post in the comments section.

Your Comments and Questions
 

Josh B. wrote:

 

Hi Mr.Williamson,

 

I was just reading about your suggestions on the new center, and I just thought of 2 more...

 1. What if we had a Borg Cube ship, just for missions? (In my opinion, it would be small, )

 2. It would be awesome if you could take and elevator to the shuttle bay

      Anyways, thank you for your time.

 

Allie T wrote

The new dream center ideas are great! I think we should have a gift shop and more ships and every thing the council has said, except for the no overnighters.They should stay, they were the best!

 

The hallways should look futuristic like the ships. At the school it wasn't as cool to be thrown from a starship into a school in the middle of a mission. And with the hallways, something that really bothered me about the away missions in the school was the windows! A lot of the away missions are on other ships, and when you can see the sun shining on a playground outside, it makes it pretty obvious that you aren't in space. So i don't think we should have windows in the hallways at the new center. And if we do, we should have cool window covers that look maybe like keypads or something. We can't forget the nooks and crannys for the staff and campers to hide in while shotting each other. And it would be cool if they're was secret passages and stuff in the walls for the staff to hide in.

Annonomous wrote

Only problem i see with the laser tag is that sometimes the "aliens" are supposed to take over the bridge and that might become more difficult if its lazer tag because there is usually more crew than "aliens"                                               

Staff Member 14 wrote

Four questions...
1. Where exactly is this new space center going to be?  We don't know that yet.
2. When do you think it will be finished and we can go back to work? Sorry but we don't know that either.
3. By no overnighters, do you mean camps, or just plain old overnighters?  Both.  The decision must still be made.
4. What do you think, Mr. Williamson, about maybe no overnighters?  Overnight Camps are a large source of income.  The School District would be required to give the Space Center a yearly budget if the camp program were discontinued. 

Some Silly Staff wrote

When is the big district meeting? Is it the 28? or today on the 27?
Also, staff and campers should come to it right? And if we should what time should we be there?  The meeting is open only to those on the committee.

  

The Best Guard. Your Questions. Your Comments on the New Center

Hello Troops,

It was 3:35 P.M.  I was standing outside of Shelley Elementary wearing my hunter orange vest. I stand outside every afternoon and monitor the mad rush of hundreds of students pouring out of the school and homeward bound.

"Mr. Guard," one dark haired fourth grader said while tapping me on the shoulder.

"What can I do for you?" I asked.  I recognized him from the lunchroom.  He can't remember my name, and I can't remember his.  I call him Bud.  He calls me Mr. Guard.

"You're the best Guard at our school."  His compliment seemed sincere.
  
"And I know why you said that."  I was sure I knew what he was thinking.  "You like my ultra cool safety vest with this embroidered Space Center Logo, Don't you?  I'll bet you want me to give you this ultra cool vest?  Well, it ain't gonna happen?"

Bud's friend began pulling on his arm to get him to move toward the waiting car.
 
"You're just friendly and cool," he answered before running off. 

My pride prompted me to stand a bit straighter.  I directed my gaze at the waiting cars and wondered if anyone knew that I had just been proclaimed the 'Best Guard' at Shelley Elementary.   I stuck my chest out with pride, cleared my throat, and wished a few passing third graders a good night.   

"I'm the first one out!" A young 2nd grader ran by screaming at the top of his lungs, I don't know how he came to that conclusion.  The dismissal bell rang 5 minutes earlier; the front lawn was covered with kids. 

You've got to love what kids say.

"Mr. Williamson?!"  I heard someone say with an older voice.  I turned around.  One of the Space Center's most awesome campers and soon to be volunteer stood in front of me.  Dakota attended Shelley when he was in elementary school.  He was there to give something to the principal. 

We spoke for a few minutes, before he had to go.  We both agreed how much we missed the ole Space Center.

For twenty-two years, thousands and thousands of children attended the Space Center.  Many of them returned for camps and classes.  Its easy to forget most of them, but campers like Dakota are never forgotten. 

Just seeing him reminded me of the importance of doing whatever possible to resurrect the Space Center so hundreds of thousands of new campers can have the same experience Dakota had. 

Thank you to everyone for your continued support, and if you happen to be a Shelley Elementary at 3:30 P.M.,  stop and watch the Best Guard at the school in action.

Mr. W.


 Your Questions

Nathan Wrote:
As I read the blog, it seemed like many people were under the pretense that the new (Dream) Space Center would run 9 ships: The Galileo, the four small and the four large. Would the Phoenix and Magellan be discontinued as part of the program?

We would keep the names, but the ships at Central would be discontinued. 

Jakob Wrote:
I have been reading the blog and have learned about the proposed new building. Me and my friends LOVE coming to the space center, but we live in Cache Valley and can't come often. Is there anything we could do to help besides volunteering (like raising money, etc.)?
Live Long and Prosper,
Jakob

Keep reading The Troubadour for opportunities to help us as we work toward a new Space Center.  Spread the word.  The Space Center will come back!

Mr. Schuller wrote
Here is the link for the Evergeen Aviation Museum in Oregon. They have a pretty extensive education and volunteer program (take a close look at their aviation ambassador program).

http://www.evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/-exhibits/general-aviation/


Your Thoughts on the New Space Center

Matt L. Wrote:

I'm going to go back to our original design for a new building that we drew up a year or two back. I really like the idea of having a central medical center that is shared by all the simulators that also coordinates all of the away missions. It would have TV's showing cameras of the away mission areas and have communication with all the control rooms.
As for the simulators needing to be different, we discussed giving each a square room and then each Set Director is given freedom to customize the ship as they see fit, keeping in mind that the simulators have to have X number of stations in them.
One of the things I would also love to see would be a shared engineering room. This room would contain all of the activity panels that would be used in 'manually' fixing the ship. If we did it right, we could make the panels nearly maintenance free, and any required maintenance would be very easy. Since the medical center would be shared, the engineering room would probably have to be on a separate floor, accessible from the bridge of each ship.

Away from the simulators, I also really liked the idea of having a waiting room/lounge near the entrance that parents could wait and watch/listen to the crews on the simulators.

And don't forgot, we want spots to put iPads/iPods, as it will be very easy to link those up to the rest of the ship controls.

Staff Member 14 Wrote

I love it! The designs are great and I think the flexible space is great for away missions. But, I think we should still have overnight missions. Those are one of my favorite types, as a camper and as a volenteer. We are still doing camps right? If we are, we need to remember a place for the campers to sleep. I think we could just set up cots in the flexible space like we did before.

Unknown Wrote:

#1-I know that this is more of an after thought but I think that there need to be someway that flight directors can communicate with other staff members. As a volunteer it was hard to run from ship to ship asking questions.

#2-I think that there needs to be hallways separated from the main hallways for staff to get to the "stage" area. As a volunteer I would have to hide from crew on away mission when I was in hallways trying to get from place to place.

#3-I know that there is storage but is more by the class rooms I think that there needs to be closer to the general area of the simulators to put costumes, props, and to store crew uniforms and phasers when not in use.

#4-(Question) would there still be summer camps at the new space center?

#5- I know many staff members are leaving for lds missions, college, and such and new staff members need to be trained. And I think that would need to happen sooner rather then later.

Caitlynn Wrote

One of the biggest issues I have had with overnight camps is the food provided because the donuts always made me quite sick and the fruit was never ripe (no offense, I am very picky with my food). I love all the ideas flying around relating to the physical side of things and all I can think of is the food. :)

Unknown Wrote

I just thought that I would share some thoughts that came to me when I was reading the blog,

9 Simulators!?!?!?!

9 Simulators would be great!!! IF we could make them work... 

These are the things I thought that should be noted when designing the center:

1.  They each need to be built in a different design so each simulator is a different ship, they should all fill different

2.  They need to be spread out, the sound problem is a big problem, crews will panic if the ship next to them is blowing up, with there crews screaming at the screens trying to get away from the Borg Cubes...

3.  The thing I LOVED about the voyager is how it was built, it made me fill like it was a real Federation ship.  Cant we build like a basement or something?

4.  I think the halls are going to be very, very full all the time!  So lets try to keep the ships away from the main halls, for example, the small hall leading to the stage and the voyagers entrance.  This will help with the sound and will make it easier to get into the ships.

5.  And last, do we have enough room?

Issac Wrote:

Programing!

I thought a programing class would be GREAT!  I know .HTML and a small bit of java, if you want, I would be more than willing to help teach some classes.

Other rooms and comments,

I think we should go with the flexible space, just put in a room for away teams, or engineering etc.

And I think some more floors would be not only really nice, but needed!  If we can afford it, I think that's the first thing that should be on the list...

Also, I'm working on my "blueprints" for the new space center, is there a deadline for when we need to send them in by?

I really realized how much I'm going to miss the space center reading the blog... A new space center would be really cool, but I still am going to miss the origanal simulators...

thanks for all you do!

Adam Wrote:

I think the laser tag would be a great idea. I think the crew uniforms should have sensors like laser tag vests, but still look like Star Trek uniforms. I think it will help the crew get into it more, it's much more realistic than having someone say,
"You, right wing officer. You're dead." It just brings you more into the future if you find out you're dead yourself.